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(Please note this is a collaborative effort of several simmers conducting an informal investigation, the results of which may or may not destroy a community!!)



Okay honestly, I never really got into the simsfan13576 wank before. Someone posted a story called “The Stallion", and advertised it to a bunch of communities. The story wasn't that great and some aspects might have been a little questionable. So of course, screencaps of the story and some mockery of it made it's way over to simsecret. There were two secrets posted in two consecutive weeks, on September 3rd and September 10th.

Simsfan13576 was tipped off to the Simsecret posts in his journal on September 4th. On September 13th, he came by Simsecrets, threatened naughtydolphin (the Simsecret community mod) with violence, and used a bunch of other colourful language. The conversation continued in his LJ, because he had private messaging turned off.


When someone gives him a helpful critique he ends the conversation with this: "And another thing....I guess your right about peoples reactions....not everybody liked Michaelangelo or Leonardo Da Vinci's art even though it was amazing, but that's just their opinion"

Next week, the secrets blow up about this guy. Some are a little more harsh in their opinion of Simsfan13576 and his story.

Simsfan13576, understandably, isn't amused.

I swear I am gonna get this fucking group banned from LiveJournal.



He goes a round or two with Naughtydolphin and some anons about it, bringing up cyberbullying whenever he could. Soon afterward he makes his flounce post on his LJ. (Screencap here )

This is actually where I started to take a little more interest. It was this part here :

People saying that I suck.....people saying that I'm gay and should kill myself....

Of course this is a huge concern. I don't think I'm the only person in this community that would take something like this a little more seriously. Whatever you feel about someone or their story, it's no cause to tell them to kill themselves. I personally wouldn't want to belong in a community where this kind of behaviour is accepted. I actually felt myself feeling sorry for the guy.

However. It's been noted that nowhere it seems, not in any of the places he posted, not in his LJ, not in Simsecrets has there been anyone telling simsfan13576 to kill themselves. So it was speculated that he must have received an awful PM... except that he has private messaging turned off.

simsfan13576 must be psychic or something, because a few days later a few anon comments show up on Simsecrets, and you guessed it, the anons told him to kill himself. And for good measure, they gave the same treatment to doda_lani as well. The anons come out in “force" trying to convince Simsfan13576 that he (paraphrased) “doesn’t deserve to live" and that it would probably be “best if he just killed himself", fun stuff like that. Simsfan13576 is there minutes afterward with a quick and witty reply.

At this point, I come home and read simsecret and notice the death threats as well as some exuberant comments in support of Naughtydolphin which also happen to use racial slurs. I message Naughtydolphin about my concerns and discuss it with others too, namely simcerly, skellington7d, jenga218, bolob and hooptytrib. I have to credit them with the investigation that follows.

Meanwhile, hooptytrib found this while perusing Modthesims: (Screencap here)

On September 13th, someone named “Fraroc" defended simsfan13576 pretty vehemently, also comparing him to “Michaelangelo" (note the misspelling), in much the same ways simsfan13576 compared himself. But wait, there’s more!

Fraroc also has a story! It’s linked in his forum signature and skellington7d takes on the dubious task of reading it and analyzing the pictures and writing. It’s called Emily’s Story and it’s also a “family saga". The similarities between “Emily’s Story" and “The Stallion" are apparent, from image and writing style to story themes and similarities in characters.



* Note the infamous speedo.


Finding it odd that “Fraroc" would be so adamant to defend simsfan13576 and seeing the similarities between the two stories, simcerly did a quick search on the page source and low and behold …

It’s the same photobucket that hosts both stories.

Exhibit A - Fraroc’s Story

Exhibit B - Simfan’s Story


Faroc’s Photobucket

Fraroc on Modthesims is Simfan on Livejournal. It’s not a huge deal that he has a sockpuppet on both places, but it does cast dispersions to his credibility and honesty over just how much hate he’s been getting. Since most of the wank on simsecret has been anon and immediately replied to by him, it makes one wonder if he isn’t, in fact, insulting himself. After all, he did say that he was going to bring down the community through LJ...

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skellington7d
Sep. 22nd, 2011 05:56 am (UTC)
And he would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddlin' kids and your robot!
(Anonymous)
Sep. 22nd, 2011 11:14 am (UTC)
Skellington, madam, you have just made my day with that comment. :D
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Sep. 22nd, 2011 05:58 am (UTC)
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kingmike1224
Sep. 22nd, 2011 06:00 am (UTC)
I personally never got the story but seriously that is just too much crap...seriously its the internet o.0
simtopi
Sep. 22nd, 2011 06:08 am (UTC)
It is the internet, yup! I didn't really look at the story, and I had too many other things to do at the time so I wasn't really able to follow the initial wank or see why anyone was making a big deal of it. And sure, some of the comments towards this guy were a bit harsh and unnecessary because if you think about it, the story is NOT that bad.

I think it was a combination of things for me: first, how he acted towards someone I respect, and second, that he could say someone told him to kill himself, which is actually extremely serious. At least I take it seriously because personally I haven't heard of this anywhere in the sims LJ community. Maybe I'm sheltered, IDK? Third, yeah it's an easy way to attempt to get LJ to ban a community. :p



Edited at 2011-09-22 06:23 am (UTC)
raemia
Sep. 22nd, 2011 06:17 am (UTC)
I'm really shocked that he's been so aggressive about attacking anybody and everybody over his secrets. I really thought it was a big put-on and he was a troll, but seeing him defend himself with a sock is making me think that he's actually serious. Hmmm.

Great post though, I had no idea this guy generated so much wank!
skellington7d
Sep. 22nd, 2011 06:18 am (UTC)
I'm thinking Simfan is the sock here, since Fraroc has been around for years and has his own story.
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holleyb76
Sep. 22nd, 2011 06:26 am (UTC)
He's a member of a forum I'm a part of and advertised his "Story" there. He was really pushy about feed back, but never took the time to read anyone elses story.
He asked in a thread where he could "advertise" his story and I told him LJ had a community and gave him the link the TS2 site and Sim storytellers. The next day his story was on there.
That's not to say he's NOT a Troll though and this was all some ploy.
I kind of felt bad about his stories being mocked on Simsecrets since I was the one to tell him about the sites to advertise on.
(Anonymous)
Sep. 22nd, 2011 06:38 am (UTC)
That should be "aspersions" not "dispersions".

But good detective work. Wankers like this shouldn't be allowed to get away with anything, not a single inch.
naughtydolphin
Sep. 22nd, 2011 06:42 am (UTC)
Wow. An excellent right up for a batshit situation! He did apologise to me after last week's secrets (again by PM, and again I couldn't reply privately), but now I don't know if it was genuine or not!
jenga218
Sep. 22nd, 2011 07:09 am (UTC)
Oh, I didn't do a whole lot. But it was fun watching Skell and Cerly work everything out. I kinda thought he was a troll all along. :P
sushigal007
Sep. 22nd, 2011 07:14 am (UTC)
What a shame it's turned so wanky. The original two secrets are very gentle in their mocking and the story is one of those things that's so awful it's funny. Sadly the author's reaction is just plain awful.
simsforaranya
Sep. 22nd, 2011 11:08 pm (UTC)
That was my point. The first ones were just people going "OMG LOL" and it was only after he blew up and started abusing people left right and center that they became nasty.
peasant007
Sep. 22nd, 2011 09:03 am (UTC)
Someone should have just told him that infamy can also be good. Like someone said above me, it was so bad it was funny, like I could almost HEAR the guys from MST3K riffing it.

His attitude was pretty bad though.

Edited at 2011-09-22 09:05 am (UTC)
joandsarah
Sep. 22nd, 2011 10:15 am (UTC)
I've been watching this quietly as I tend to do with most things ever since his story first popped up on my f list. He's also posted to Boolprop down on the rants board. http://forums.boolprop.com/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=56536 I'm surprised he hasn't had a mod come down on him for not only using *censored* words, but for threatening naughtydolphin right there at the bottom of that post.
(Anonymous)
Sep. 22nd, 2011 07:51 pm (UTC)
Does anybody have a screenshot of the rant or would be willing to take one? You need an account on boolprop to view the rant board and I don't have one.
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simsfan13576
Sep. 22nd, 2011 10:34 am (UTC)
Please, you have NO idea how much I get this when it comes to being online. Heres the truth, Me and fraroc are not the same person. But however we are indeed very close friends in real life. For starters, my real name is Ritchie and his is Francesco, he's 18 years old and I'm 16. Im an only child while he has an older brother and sister. Totally different,But we did grow up in the same town and our parents were close friends. And if you want to how the story about the speedo and photobucket account. Me and Francesco used to share EVERYTHING when we were kids and were still kinda like that today.. And that particular price of EP came from his older sister,Angela. And besides, I read Emily's Story and I find it SO much beter than mine.

Incidentally, IDK why I'm still getting heat even after I apologized to naughtydolphin and (at least tried) to make peace with SimSecrets.
simtopi
Sep. 22nd, 2011 06:54 pm (UTC)
"Heres the truth, Me and fraroc are not the same person."

So you're going to stick by that? That's okay, that really isn't my major issue with you. Make an army of sockpuppets, I don't really care. I got involved because someone allegedly told you to kill yourself.

Look, you have been involved in other gaming communities. You've written fan fiction for other fandoms. I don't buy your ignorance about how communities like simsecrets work.

In all honesty, if someone were truly trolling your stories, I would have been one of the first people on your side. But after seeing your attitude, I stopped caring completely. (I don't hate, I just get apathetic :p ). And *then* you posted about how someone said you should commit suicide.

I take cyberbullying extremely seriously. It doesn't do anyone any good to cry wolf about this kind of stuff because it is deplorable and we want the internet community to take it seriously whenever it happens. It's a legitimate problem but lying about it is not helping.

I found it hard to believe that's what was going on here, particularly since the threats came a while after you posted your flounce. No one's seen any threats. Not on SS, not on Boolprop, any of the communities you've posted your story on actually. We've proven here beyond reasonable doubt that you know how to sockpuppet and it can be very possible that you have an anon personality on Simsecrets arguing with yourself. You probably also know that a word or two to a bored LJ maintainer could get the Simsecret community in trouble, especially if Naughtydolphin wasn't as quick and attentive as she was in deleting the horrible comments.

I should say you have succeeded in what you probably wanted the most: getting attention. Grats.
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(Anonymous)
Sep. 22nd, 2011 11:20 am (UTC)
You're a liar! How dare you try to be fake in this comment section again! >:O
aledstrange
Sep. 22nd, 2011 11:48 am (UTC)
WOW this is crazy! I didn't want to get involved on this, but seeing doda_lani mentioned too got my attention. I don't have much reasons to defend him, honestly, but the secret blaming him for what happened at M_T was really unfair and pissed me off, so wanted to checked out what was going on there.

The comment in question was deleted already (I can imagine it was pretty bad if ND had to delete it), but noticed this other anon comment saying "On MTS2 people are discussing your horrible habits, especially some guy named Fraroc." which really sounded odd considering what it was mentioned here about them (whatever if they are the same person or friends like they say), so that let me to check on mts2, out of curiosity, and found this other lit' gem (also by fraroc):
http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=431692

It's called "Horses are not just for girls" and it's way too similar to the Stallion Story imo (I didn't see this mentioned in the post, so thought it could be relevant)


Edited at 2011-09-22 11:50 am (UTC)
skellington7d
Sep. 22nd, 2011 12:36 pm (UTC)
Wow, how'd we miss that damning piece of evidence? Thank you, Ale!
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simtarts
Sep. 22nd, 2011 01:35 pm (UTC)
But..but... This Fraroc/Simsfan person, whoever he is, CANNOT SERIOUSLY BE FOR REAL, RIGHT? The "Stallion" story always seemed way too bad and ridic for it to ever be real - it seemed much more like a mockery of a bad story: muscle-dad in a speedo, pictures taken in build/buy mode, "mounting" the horse. I refuse to believe that this story is meant to be serious.

Someone is having way too much fun wrecking merry havoc all over the simming community.
tomwood1906
Sep. 22nd, 2011 09:48 pm (UTC)
MTE. I've been busy lately, so I'm out of loop with the sims community and it's really strange to come in and see people treating this person (somewhat) seriously. I mean, they just seem like such an obvious troll. They are a troll, right? Right?...


...Guise?
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voleste
Sep. 22nd, 2011 02:09 pm (UTC)
Wow, I knew about the story but I haven't read the simsecret comments for the past few weeks. Dolphin, you're such a patient soul.

And the sequel of the Stallion will be Black Beauty.
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simlili
Sep. 22nd, 2011 07:11 pm (UTC)
Is it really necessary to just post his personal informations publicly like that? I'm sorry, I don't know where this is from, maybe he shares his email himself everywhere, but still. Or did I miss something?
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oreosftw1342
Sep. 22nd, 2011 07:02 pm (UTC)
Even though I'm not part of this community, Simtopi and Naughtydolphin, you both have much patience. I don't know how you do it. And now I'm going to rant about how much I love your sim stories. They're amazing. :D
(Anonymous)
Sep. 22nd, 2011 07:19 pm (UTC)
Wow. This is lulzy. I initially felt somewhat bad for him since he was getting threats, but now I think he was probably posting the threatening comments himself.
simsfan13576
Sep. 22nd, 2011 07:31 pm (UTC)
I actually find it kind of funny and sad how I post one story and World War III breaks out.

And besides, don't bring Francesco into this! He didn't do ANYTHING wrong! It's ME who has done wrong!!
aledstrange
Sep. 22nd, 2011 09:15 pm (UTC)
If you still don't get it, it wasn't your story what caused this, it was you trolling about it and threatening the mod at SS.
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simsfan13576
Sep. 22nd, 2011 10:33 pm (UTC)
Bottom line, You can keep talking bad about my story, you can keep making offensive Secrets, I don't really care anymore.

But one thing, Leave my friend out of this. Please. He didn't do anything wrong. He was not involved in making my story, he shouldn't take the heat.
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simsfan13576
Sep. 22nd, 2011 10:44 pm (UTC)
I'm sure that you would get pissed of if someone that you've never met in real life began blasting your actual life and involving your friends in an argument that their not even a part of...

And besides, Whoever posted what is now MY email (Fran's disused email.) Ive heard of trolling and cyberbullying, That's taking it to a limit.
naughtydolphin
Sep. 22nd, 2011 10:45 pm (UTC)
Yet you feel it's okay to threaten people with violence and want them to die?
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simsforaranya
Sep. 22nd, 2011 11:14 pm (UTC)
I got involved because I thought his reaction was ridiculous, but I also saw the need for someone to come in with something positive. I felt like tearing my hair out after a while, but hey. I did my bit and he responded in troll-fashion, and I do not like to feed trolls. They are smelly and hide under bridges. I'm just thankful for my "teacher hat" which lets me to stay nice and civil no matter what happens. XD
bees_universe
Sep. 23rd, 2011 04:02 am (UTC)
I've been keeping my eye on this drama since the first secret was posted about 2 weeks ago. Seeing him as a struggling writer who didn't know the ins and out of Sims 2 storytelling so I invited him to join us at RWN. He threw me off at first with his "determination" to get people to read his story but I somewhat understood, because it sucks for no one to read your story and give feedback. So, I felt sorry for him.

After seeing all the foolery that had taken place over the weeks with the threats, bashing naughtydolphin, and all the "committing suicide" comments, I can say I have lost all sympathy. I STRONGLY dislike cyber bullying and this actually hit close to home. Apologizing, to me, doesn't take back what you said. Its like putting a band-aid on a third degree burn.

I commend those who did the research and was able to put together the Ritchie/Franco mystery. No there is not a chance in hell you can convince me that they aren't the same people. Just isn't.

I hadn't planned on saying anything, but I couldn't help but get on my soap box for the night. :P
(Anonymous)
Sep. 23rd, 2011 04:36 am (UTC)
Sock Talk at MTS continues
http://nene.modthesims.info/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=456131

fraroc welcomes simsfan13576, so there you damn cynicals! He's definitely not a sock! Nope, not at all. XD
solunatic
Sep. 23rd, 2011 09:34 pm (UTC)
Re: Sock Talk at MTS continues
Dumb sock is dumb. Plus, he's trying to delete his profile name on here. You know, never mind that OP has screencaps of his freak out.
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